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Update 15th July 2025: The poll is now closed, thank you for all that voted and participated in the spirited discussion. Option 1 was the preferred route with 49.65% (429 votes). Option 2 received 23.38% (202 votes). There were 26.97% (233 votes) empty ballots (link to the results). We are reviewing your feedback in this post, particularly around the Stack Exchange name change, its implications, and how the brand will be applied to the site experience, and will follow up soon.


Today we shared an overview of what we announced at the WeAreDevelopers conference in Berlin. Included in that was an overview of the work we’ve done developing.

Most excitingly, we have also been working on a refreshed visual identity and I have an ask for you all - to vote on two options. But first, I wanted to highlight some additional context for you.

No changes to the product or site design, yet

What we are sharing is the high level in-progress work, which you could say only applies to the marketing world – our logo, color palette, typography and illustration - and how they apply to off-site concerns like the corporate websites, blog, social media posts etc.

However, over time this will begin to slowly and intentionally evolve how the websites look & feel to use (ok, the header logo might need to change at first). We’ve started discovery on this, as you may have seen, so keep that in mind when voting. We will of course carry out the normal due diligence around research, accessibility, and further consultations with you as normal.

One network, one name

During the process we realized we needed to radically simplify our offerings; we have too many confusing elements, some which have not been touched in a long time. This is creating needless friction, particularly for people who haven’t heard of us, for newbies and for our business audience. In this new brand vision, all Stack Exchange sites will continue to exist, but under the Stack Overflow name & brand.

Old and new brand summary

It might feel strange at first, but we think the expansion of what brand Stack Overflow encompasses is actually more reflecting how we have operated for quite a long time already. It's the front door to the depth of the network for the casual user and the name Stack Overflow is as close as we’ve gotten to being a ‘household name’ (our brand equity).

In summary

  • Simplify recognition: Eliminate confusion caused by two distinct but related brand names.
  • Improve user experience: Over time we feel this will provide a consistent and unified brand journey across all platforms and communications, especially for new users or customers.
  • Streamline marketing, communications & legal: Focus all branding efforts on a single, powerful name, freeing us up to move faster and with more intent.
  • Reflect operational reality: Align our brand identity with the existing dominance of Stack Overflow.
  • Reinforce market leadership: Solidify Stack Overflow's position as the go-to resource for businesses of all types.

The objectives and choices

You can find a detailed breakdown of the options in this blog post by David Longworth, our Head of Brand, who is leading this brand refresh. A summary of the options is below for ease. To copy from that post, here’s the high level objectives for us to give you some final context:

  • Expand the definition of Stack Overflow from programmers & developers, to all technology enthusiasts.
  • Capture the variety of thought & expression across the network today, but be forward-facing for an expanding role.
  • Be welcoming to a new & wider enthusiast audience, while still appealing to our core audience of subject matter experts.

Option 1

brand option 1

Option 2

Brand Option 2

Get involved: Cast your vote here!

Please do the following:

  1. Review the blog post with the full overview of each option
  2. Go here to vote
  3. Use answers to this post to give any broader feedback.

Anyone who identifies as a part of a Stack Overflow or Stack Exchange community – as a reader, a contributor, or in any other way – is welcome to vote. This uses the same system that we use for moderator election voting to track votes. If you like both options, feel free to check both options. We will close the poll Tuesday, July 15th at 14:00 UTC.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Let’s build the future of Stack Overflow, together.

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    Are those colors for real, because I have a migraine after looking at those options. Commented Jul 10 at 14:06
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    When anyone have an amazing cheesy idea about any UI component, take a look at this site first: ux.stackexchange.com Commented Jul 10 at 14:39
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    WTF am I even looking at? Those colors hurt my autistic brain. I'm sensitive to light, and those colors and chaotic designs are SCREAMING so much I had to scroll past them. Commented Jul 10 at 14:40
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    Option 1 genuinely makes me think of the unpleasant gradient meme. Option 2 is marginally better, but I don't like the colors for either option. How relevant are the colors for the options/the voting?
    – Lomtrur
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:48
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    Both themes communicate "these sites have no substantive information". It's hard to imagine either of them applied to a site who's virtue is text-based focused technical content.
    – tenfour
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:51
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    Will submitting "No vote" on the ballot correctly convey that I don’t want either of these options? Because that’s what I used it for.
    – Otaku
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:54
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    This is starting to look like it's time to dust of What does constructive criticism of a design change look like? . Try to be at least constructive when commenting/asking/opining, please :)
    – Tinkeringbell Mod
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:56
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    Your new AI users are going to love the new colour schemes
    – Sayse
    Commented Jul 10 at 15:10
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    Can you please show the options actually applied to a Stack page? These are just random design pieces that seem to have no relation whatsoever to how the existing pages look and work. Commented Jul 10 at 15:32
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    I gently suggest you should all read what @Tinkeringbell wrote, above. I'll add this. "Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die." see item #6 blog.codinghorror.com/what-if-we-could-weaponize-empathy (and note that Stack is NOT really a discussion site, it's a hybrid) Commented Jul 10 at 18:08
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    I prefer option 3, or what it is like now. Commented Jul 10 at 18:13
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    Sorry, what are we supposedly voting on here? I see two images of similarly hideously colored tiles labeled "option 1" and "option 2". You could likely flip coins and have a similar result. As a frontend UI engineer I feel like there should be more distinction between the two.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Jul 10 at 18:50
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    @JeffAtwood Among the flippant remarks, the most violent offenders are SE ignoring its most thoughtful and eager contributers who made SE what it is. "Your feedback is valuable" while ignoring the most valuable feedback is more violent than lazy remarks about color schemes. My observation is that SE has cultivated a hostile relationship with its contributors by trying to maintain the optics of community engagement without any actual collaboration, a deep shame for a network whose sole virtue is its community.
    – tenfour
    Commented Jul 10 at 23:47
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    @tenfour agreed. Trust needs to be rebuilt. Actual collaboration should be demonstrated by iterating and shipping code that reflects community feedback. And I love the way you said "sole virtue is its community". That's true. Commented Jul 11 at 0:37
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    @JeffAtwood Shame that SE/SO goes "lalalalalala" when people share actual feedback. Then it wastes time and money on things nobody wants, needs, asked for or will benefit from. There are areas of the site that could use the effort that was put into ... this. Commented Jul 11 at 1:03

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Yes. I think I will help with a suggestion.

Please, go through any article you may find about color blindness. Even the Wikipedia page is enough. Going through some articles about UI accessibility would be the next step.

A black font on a dark red background is a very poor choice for accessibility, yet both options go for this "sin".

I get that when I told to the company that a certain April Fool's prank caused real pain to real users many laughed it off but please... Try to not give people who are already living with some serious issues another way to get a migraine.

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    I don't think I have any vision issues, beside being nearsighted. If these colors are rolled out, I don't think I could use the network. And I use light mode everywhere because I like brightness. It would probably drive me away if it was as bad as the color schemes look. Commented Jul 10 at 14:22
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    I'm red-green colorblind and I don't feel like these colors are too bad for me. I think anyone would feel like a dark forefront on a dark-ish orange background would strain a little bit, though, and agree with that. My biggest problem with the color choices is the need to have a big smattering of colors (e.g. these images) with no discernible purpose other than to be visually "loud".
    – Spevacus Mod
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:48
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    These have yet to go through the product design accessibility checks. I can assure you that it will happen before these make it to the sites.
    – Piper Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:52
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    Accessibility has been at the top of our requirements list for this project from the start, these high-level overviews will undergo more development once we settle on a final choice. Mentioned in the post, these are marketing assets - how this identity translates into the product experience is still to be explored. Finally, I just wanted to make clear these overview images are also somewhat artificial as you’re seeing a ‘zoomed out view’ of elements that would never likely be paired up in real life applications.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:52
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    "Accessibility has been at the top of our requirements list for this project from the start" - apparently not enough for this to be considered in the design in the first place. Starting with something that's the opposite of accessible and working back to something that is, is a horrible way to design something if you legitimately want it to be accessible to people. This is not a matter of a high-level choice, this is a matter of what should be the frontline of your design efforts rather than an afterthought Commented Jul 10 at 14:57
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    @Piper May I ask you a question... Suppose you are a car vendor. Please place these two activities in the correct order A) "check if the cars models you are selling exist and doesn't explode when you turn it" on and B) "get the customer to pick a car model from your catalogue"..... Do you see the issue??? WHY are you performing the "Design accessibility checks" AFTER releasing a "pick your choice" pool to your users????? Commented Jul 10 at 15:03
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    @Piper [cont] for Celestia sake, do you think the average restaurant prints their menu before checking if their staff can cook the dishes they already sold??? Commented Jul 10 at 15:04
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    @ꓢPArcheon Because, as usual, accessibility and considering the people who actually have to use the design rather than just look at it in a powerpoint presentation at a conference where CEOs talk about who spent the most money on AI, isn't a priority. No real answers will come from digging deeper, because this is just how SE does things now - think about all the nice features first, then maybe perhaps implement the basic ones at the very end. See the data dump, which still doesn't have a "download all" button, a "download main+meta" button, nor a process for manually requesting it Commented Jul 10 at 15:06
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    @Piper The fact you're even saying the words "product design accessibility checks" shows that your entire team needs remedial accessibility training.
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Jul 10 at 15:28
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    sorry @Piper, this is not what is happening. I am being given two picture, without you even explaining what I should focus on and told to choose one. Then you will do something and give me a different picture, based on your "checks". First, I hope you don't need some checks to tell you black on red isn't a good choice, so I question the care the company put in posting this. Second, you are now telling me that the two options aren't even meant to be UI / theming choices but instead "pick what you want us to focus on" WITHOUT any clear explanation of this in the original post. Commented Jul 10 at 15:56
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    @Piper I have to be honest... this seems a GREAT way to make the choice completely meaningless (since no one but you knew what the choice was about in the first place) and thus be able to... do what you already decided while claiming that user input was listened to. Picture me impressed, but... You have to do better than the blog post to make it clear that the choice is not about the "palette". Oh, and wonder what... those palette are mentioned in the blog too... Guess that the option included those too then? Commented Jul 10 at 16:00
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    @Piper We aren't? Because it definitely looks like we are asked to vote for two options including a colour scheme each. The blog even explicitly talks about the palettes. There is no indication whatsoever that these are placeholders. Commented Jul 10 at 16:04
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    @Piper please refer to Rob post too... It was the company that included the palette into the blog post, presenting them as part of the choice. So.... trying to tell me that they haven't got thru accessibility testing yet and more importantly that it was not about the palette "You are being asked about how the car is talked about"... seems quite funny at best, insulting at worst. Please, don't make a fool of us. The palette were presented as a relevant part of the choice. Commented Jul 10 at 16:05
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    @Piper Please. I don’t care what the proper internal term is, and I am pretty sure just about everyone else that you asked to vote doesn’t either. Whether the proper term is "placeholder" or „full marketing color palette" or whatever, it’s absolutely not clear that we are voting on such a thing instead of a "product palette" or "final colors" or whatever. Commented Jul 10 at 21:40
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    @Piper It really seems like we’re voting on two themes that are obviously going to fail accessibility checks as is, and will then have to overhauled into something we didn’t vote for. I’m having a hard time believing this vote even matters since I know it’s going to be substantially changed later. Commented Jul 12 at 19:15
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When I looked at the blog post, I first assumed I was looking at some placeholder logos with an intentionally weird color scheme. It took me a bit to realize that color scheme seems to be meant seriously. The proposed color schemes are terrible. Reminds me a bit of the Windows 3.1 Hot Dog Stand scheme.

enter image description here

I can't make sense of the rest you're showing. It does not seem connected to the sites at all or the current identity. It's just too different and I can't translate these images to how this would change the actual designs.

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    ok I'll just leave this here (runs away) blog.codinghorror.com/… Commented Jul 10 at 15:08
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    I can confirm that Hot Dog Stand was not the inspiration for either option, despite its legendary status as a Windows 3.1 theme. Fair feedback nonetheless and well received, thank you.
    – Eric Martin Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:39
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    @EricMartin I'm not sure it was meant in a good way. Commented Jul 10 at 18:22
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    There's also a Hot Dog Stand theme for flare for some reason. Commented Jul 10 at 18:22
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    germany mentioned 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪💪💪💪💪 (sarcasm aside, the color scheme feels loud and obnoxious despite the fact that I have no major vision issues) Commented Jul 13 at 1:52
  • @Twineee-MissesShadow-Wizard I think that's entirely Jeff's fault :D Commented Jul 13 at 7:50
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One gets a feeling what we have here is... a complete failure to communicate. One even feels a little like this is even hostile to the rest of the network.

I've been an active user of the network for 15 years. I moderate one tech and one non-tech website. I've never been a Stack Overflow user. Least for me, it's very clear that my feedback was read, then completely ignored. A significant amount of the feedback given does seem to want to maintain the Stack Exchange branding for smaller sites too.

Is the intention here to alienate the rest of the network, with their own distinct identities, and get them to go away? Cause this very much feels like a potential end result. I'd expected better but it's pretty clear that marketing's dug in on the Stack Overflow branding despite smaller sites preferring the Stack Exchange branding.

And right now - does Stack Overflow Inc. really feel a redesign that alienates a significant part of small site user-bases is the best option?

This is digging into and reinforcing the feeling that our opinions don't really matter. The smaller sites are unimportant enough that we need to be assimilated into the Stack Overflow "Borg collective" despite - well, it being not what we want.

I guess this isn't new but it feels like another example where the company pays lip service to community feedback, minimises it, and does as they like.

As for the options given - I voted for neither. We have BRIGHT COLOURS and LOUD IMAGERY. It's... terrible. The colours are loud and discordant and obviously designed by people who don't deal with a large amount of text.

What's twoface {''} even mean? Why all the clashing colours? Do the people who design these things spend any amount of time using Stack Exchange and other social software? It's the visual equivalent of a noise marine concert.

Brands tell a story. At least with Stack Exchange and its community, the somewhat quiet, orderly brand image is soothing. I'm not quite sure what the story here is.

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    "Is the intention here to alienate the rest of the network, with their own distinct identities and get them to go away" you know, I was seriously asking myself if this is just trying to get everyone to leave in order to be able to shut down the entire site, so... I would say you are not the only one who thought of that. Commented Jul 10 at 14:35
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    "the somewhat quiet, orderly brand image is soothing" I really like this part of what you said. I think a new iteration, some combination of 1 and 2 incorporating all this feedback would be good. Commented Jul 10 at 15:07
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    THe fire engine orange background on both and the sheer number of colours ... does not bring me joy honestly. And most devs are light side or darkside, with some accents from what I understand. This feels neither. Commented Jul 10 at 15:10
  • What's this? Commented Jul 10 at 18:24
  • Regarding your "... we need to be assimilated into the stack overflow borg cube ...", remember that "resistance is futile" 🤣 ! Commented Jul 10 at 18:24
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    @Twineee-MissesShadow-Wizard one's a moment of weakness. The other was me dipping my foot in the ocean :D Commented Jul 11 at 3:15
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Let me add my voice to the chorus saying that "Stack Overflow" is the wrong brand to standardise on for other products.

As a case study, I would refer you to Mozilla, whose most recent rebrand announcement discusses why they are moving in completely the opposite direction:

Our past experiments with a combination of brands across a variety of products demonstrated that positioning these offerings under Firefox often created confusion, as Firefox was so closely associated with browsing. By aligning these initiatives directly with Mozilla, we’re simplifying the message. This approach also gives us more flexibility: Each product can better communicate its unique value without the baggage of misaligned expectations.

I think we can translate that directly to your brands:

Positioning Q&A sites for topics such as Photography, Cooking, and Interpersonal Skills under Stack Overflow will create confusion, as Stack Overflow is so closely associated with programming.

Simultaneously, you're proposing to move some services slightly away from the "Stack Overflow" branding - "Stack Overflow for Teams" is to become "Stack Internal". This seems like a good move, and a better model to follow across the board.

I frequently see people referring to each site as "a stack" (e.g. "the photography stack"), so maybe just make that usage official? Adding the word "overflow" to that doesn't really help anyone - it means nothing to a photographer.

PS: You might also learn from this retrospective of Mozilla's previous rebranding exercise.

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    Very well said. The fact that Stack Overflow is the most well known in general doesn't mean the company should try to bolt the rest of their initiatives onto it – rather, they should stick with the existing overarching branding of Stack Exchange (for the public platform as a whole), and allow each initiative to be clearly differentiated while being connected to the whole.
    – V2Blast
    Commented Jul 11 at 0:20
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    "I frequently see people referring to each site as "a stack" (e.g. "the photography stack")" Really? I don't think I've ever seen people other than SE staff say that. Although are also stuck with the unfortunate name of "Stackers". Commented Jul 11 at 3:54
  • @curiousdannii Yes, but that "stack" is exchange.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 11 at 14:56
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    This is very well put; I don't have the company's market research data on their existing branding, but I've been mystified by the claims that the current "Exchange" umbrella term is "confusing"... having a standalone umbrella name that's distinct from the site names seems straightforward and obvious to me compared to the newly presented naming scheme. If anything, I feel that the "confusion" towards the SE naming mostly comes from lack of usage/ recognition of "Exchange", rather than it being inherently unclear. The restructuring just feels more concerned with recognition than clarity.
    – zcoop98
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:15
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Stack Exchange sites will continue to exist, but under the Stack Overflow name & brand

Sorry, what does this mean?

Is Super User getting a new name? Arqade? Will Pets.SE now be Pets.SO?

"Stack Overflow" is distinctly a programming term; I don't really understand the logic in applying it across the network.

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    You can divide the sites into 3 categories, as outlined at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/410456/… - descriptors, branded and external brands. The updated brand architecture discussed here doesn’t affect them and we have no plans to adjust these names or shut-down any sites.
    – Philippe StaffMod
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:12
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    The umbrella term for these is changing so Stack Exchange is no longer the term used, instead they are part of Stack Overflow’s public platforms. Over time we can see this having an net-positive effect on user experience - site discoverability, navigating between them, theming (as mentioned in the link) but all these will be carried out in the usual product development process with the objective of setting up all sites to continue thriving.
    – Philippe StaffMod
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:12
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    Which is the opposite of a lot of feedback that was given, and something that folks have been objecting to a very long time. Commented Jul 10 at 14:38
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    @Philippe Why do you think this'll have a net-positive effect on user experience? "I asked on Stack Overflow." "Which Stack Overflow?" "You know, Stack Overflow Stack Overflow. The main one."
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Jul 10 at 15:42
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    @anerdw I added an image in the question to illustrate what it would look like. I hope that makes it clearer.
    – Rosie StaffMod
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:54
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    @Rosie I don’t understand the image. Where is Stack Overflow the site itself in the new brand architecture? I only see it shown as the overarching brand name. Commented Jul 10 at 17:50
  • As per this answer, there are 183 sites in the network (+ Area 51). Stack Overflow the site seems to be included in the +180 in the image (unless Area 51 is included, and current Stack Overflow is the same as the orange brand box). Why that is, I don't know. The image does not help me be less confused.
    – Lomtrur
    Commented Jul 11 at 7:11
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    "will continue to exist" <-- in my English -> English translation: "we won't destroy them only because nothing would remain"
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 11 at 14:48
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    I don't understand why they don't just go with "Stack {Subject}". Like, "Stack Photography", "Stack English", etc; and where there's an existing known brand worth keeping, do it like a subtitle; "SuperUser: a stack site for computer support". Then it's clear and intuitive. People can say, "Good question, you should ask that on Stack UX, see what the pros say" / "Oh is that like Stack Overflow for UX?" / "Yeah, exactly that" Commented Jul 15 at 12:23
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I would love to help you build our new visual identity! I have, in fact, been begging for you to let me help. You haven't been.

You require heavy babysitting to not break things. You follow hyped-up design trends, despite the clear and obvious failures of those trends, and you ignore what we try to teach you. You don't understand the purpose of the things you cut away. (I find this confusing: the designers I've interacted with are all at least basically competent, but these decisions are blatantly wrong, over and over again.)

Do not use either of these designs. Do not implement any of these proposals. You should know why you cannot use these ideas: we've told you enough times already; and frankly, I'm getting sick of it.

Or if you're not going to involve us, at least do us the dignity of not pretending like you are.

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    Chesterton’s fence? Commented Jul 10 at 16:53
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    @D.BenKnoble I've linked explanations of Chesterton's fence enough times to have a URL memorised: it doesn't seem to have much effect.
    – wizzwizz4
    Commented Jul 10 at 19:59
  • Thanks for the link; I couldn’t find one I liked. Commented Jul 10 at 20:35
  • Do not implement any of these proposals. I agree. Unfortunately there are shareholders to keep happy. newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pulse-134
    – MT1
    Commented Jul 11 at 9:03
  • I think they try to save the SO by sacrificing the rest of the network. It clearly doomed to fail: they will sacrifice the rest of the network, but won't save the SO. Beside that, not that they won't do anything in the code, only in the design. That is because their system is already far too rigid to any changes, except the most superficial ones. So they do a design change to give some month of survival to the SO, or to tune their last yearly budget report, then.... flood is after them. That is what I see, I hope I won't be right.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 11 at 14:54
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    It's been clear for years that the majority of the management at SE Inc. are fundamentally, brutally, offensively incompetent. This is merely yet another example. Commented yesterday
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Expand the definition of Stack Overflow from programmers & developers, to all technology enthusiasts.

This covers the technology sites and perhaps the science sites, but what about the culture and recreation, life and arts, professional, and business sites? Maybe some of the other sites fit under "technology enthusiasts", like Ask Patents or Aviation or Open Source. But I don't see how Writing or Personal Finance & Money or Seasoned Advice fit into this expanded definition.

Capture the variety of thought & expression across the network today, but be forward-facing for an expanding role.

I don't know what you mean by "variety of thought & expression". With the exception of Stack Overflow, which has Discussions and Articles, every other site is just Q&A and Chat. The idea of Discussions and Articles could be good, but there are still details with how they are implemented that make them...not quite ready for prime time. Are you planning on addressing the quality and moderation issues with Discussions and Articles and rolling them out network-wide?

Be welcoming to a new & wider enthusiast audience, while still appealing to our core audience of subject matter experts.

Not all site communities want an enthusiast audience. Software Engineering - where I'm a mod - caters toward people working in professional settings, although there could be a good question from someone working alone. Sites like MathOverflow and Theoretical Computer Science also cater to people with deep expertise and experience in specific fields. How are you going to address these communities who don't want enthusiasts?

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    Not the Science sites either. With few exceptions where the fields are very closely linked to computers (e.g. Bioinformatics or Theoretical Computer Science) most of the science sites have nothing to do with "technology" (whatever that exceedingly broad term even means).
    – terdon
    Commented Jul 10 at 14:48
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    Well put, I think. Technology as a word is probably broad enough to encompass the whole network (see my comment here), but I wouldn’t say that’s regular usage nor helpful here. Commented Jul 10 at 16:56
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    The way I explained it was "sites based on data, facts, and science", and the way Joel explained it was "sites that can be documented in a reference book" which is a bit more broad, but also true. Commented Jul 10 at 18:06
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    @JeffAtwood Didn't someone once liken the sites to colleges or departments at a university? I swear that was in an early blog post or podcast that I can't find now. Or maybe I just made that up in my head. Commented Jul 11 at 10:20
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    @ThomasOwens that sounds like something Joel would have said, and I do agree with it. Commented Jul 12 at 17:35
  • Mechanics.SE would fall in this realm as well ... not served. Commented 2 days ago
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Following your first link: "Have your say on the evolution of our identity" to the blog I'd say I don't like what's presented, but if that's the only choice then option 1 with palette 2.

I think we were happy with the way it was before: https://stackoverflow.design/product/develop/using-stacks/

I hope that you follow your own advice: "Releasing a New Version of Stacks", and update GitHub, while following your own contributing advice: https://github.com/StackExchange/Stacks/blob/develop/CONTRIBUTING.md

You really should improve the palettes that you have proposed: enter image description here

Too vibrant and jarring. Not professional, it's like an attempt to be cool or hip by an old person; like a dad joke, where they miss by a mile. Still, number two is slightly better.

Look how much better the existing palette is:

enter image description here

Far more professional, even if a little dated.

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    “Desperate times call for desperate measures”: Never before has the monochrome browser plugin been more welcome! It's just like when you need to install and use plugins to guard your sanity against blink tags or animations or popups or sound clips or unacceptably poor contrast or unreadably tiny type in a poor font. It's all part of the arms race in the escalating mind-games war where marketing teams continuously devise new strategies to completely subjugate the user's attention and indeed peace of mind for their own nefarious purposes.
    – tchrist
    Commented Jul 10 at 15:40
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    Dad joke that misses by a mile is not the mark we are trying to hit! We'll continue working on it and appreciate the feedback. Thank you.
    – Eric Martin Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:22
  • @tchrist What? There is such a thing as a monochrome browser plugin??? Link please for Firefox.
    – MT1
    Commented Jul 11 at 8:44
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    @EricMartin Welcome! Read The Tour and earn your first badge!
    – MT1
    Commented Jul 11 at 8:45
  • @MT1 I only know the Chrome plugin. It fixes the new themes this way Problem solved..
    – tchrist
    Commented Jul 11 at 11:14
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    @MT1 Thanks for the reminder - just got my first two!
    – Eric Martin Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 11:41
  • @tchrist wow! that's great thanks. If only it was the other way round ... a dark theme for every site. 8-)
    – MT1
    Commented Jul 11 at 12:34
  • @MT1 It makes it easier to judge Option 1 vs Option 2. :)
    – tchrist
    Commented Jul 11 at 13:02
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    Note that the current palette shown is for the Stacks design system; there is a separate page listing the official brand colours.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Jul 11 at 14:05
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    Don't insult dad jokes by comparing them to this.
    – Gloweye
    Commented Jul 14 at 8:24
  • I guess why are we even considering changing this? Has there been complaints of the current design or color scheme? Ive never once came on here and thought wow the color needs to change? Why are we changing things that arent broken again?
    – JonH
    Commented yesterday
  • @JonH, unless your comment is addressed to me you'll need to put an "@" on it and add EricMartin or put it on the question for Philippe; though it could also be an answer if you prefer - I'm not saying it should change from what it is (unless they insist, only then I offer a suggestion); so writing me (who has little say in it) won't pass your message along.
    – Rob
    Commented yesterday
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Eliminate confusion caused by two distinct but related brand names

Do you have a plan for how you want people to refer to the Stack Overflow Q&A site specifically, once the brand is also used for the network? Could phrases like "on Stack Overflow" become a new point of confusion, or will the branding of the sites avoid this somehow?

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    This is something that’s top of mind for us. We have some ideas on how we can make this easier to understand and navigate and will be exploring them more in depth soon and will bring ideas to research.
    – Piper Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:43
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    It is already confusing. Outside of the small circle of people who use SO/SE a lot and actively, this distinction is often not clear, and people will colloquially refer to ask.ubuntu or dba.stackexchange as 'stackoverflow'. Some knowingly use it incorrectly, others just don't know. And those people of course are not posting in this thread. Identifying a company by its most famous product is not unusual, especially when that is also the oldest well-known product. Just how Alphabet=Google and Meta=Facebook. I think SO is just adopting the colloquial usage of the name as the official one.
    – julaine
    Commented Jul 14 at 9:24
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    @julaine good point. I'm still curious if it will be "the main site", "Stack Overflow itself", or what.
    – Dan Getz
    Commented Jul 14 at 12:17
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I've been reading several of your posts about the site in general, although I don't usually participate much. I sense a somewhat exaggerated emphasis on suddenly involving all users, as an imperative democratic necessity, which, for me personally, generates some suspicion, especially after having received some rather tyrannical and somewhat capricious "scares" from some of the platforms.

Likewise, I'd like to offer an "assessment" about what is stated in this question. As I said before, I read the posts that follow about the general change to the site. From this May 8th question, I extract three paragraphs:

– It is no longer serving the use cases or audiences that we need it to. As a result, it’s causing daily confusion, inconsistency, and inefficiency both inside and outside the business.–

– Awareness and the user experience around our paid products makes them feel like ads, rather than obvious and useful parts of our ecosystem.–

– We lack a consistent tone when speaking to our different audiences, which is often off-putting and confusing.–

From which I in turn extract relevant concepts towards a possible brainstorming, some to avoid (A) and others to consider (C):

  • confusion (A)
  • inconsistency (A)
  • inefficiency (A)
  • useful (C)
  • ecosystem (C)
  • consistency (C)

It's not useful to start from negative premises, so I'll transform the first three into positive ones:

  • clarity
  • consistency
  • effectiveness

Summarizing, and going to the essence of these concepts, is this the solution you have arrived at?

Clarity, consistency, effectiveness, useful, ecosystem =

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Without meaning to criticize, I'd like to add a couple of conceptual/formal considerations at the construction level.

Regarding option 1, I don't know if the concept of "démodé" is universal. It doesn't mean "outdated," which would lead us to interpret something from twenty years ago; rather, worse, it's something that has only recently become fashionable and is already on the verge of obsolescence. This is what is happening with neo-brutalism, which is the aesthetic basis of this option.

As for option 2, there are several test tools designers use when creating branding. One of them is Google Images. Here are some results:

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jobman.com

scottmurphydesign.com

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    The most alarming thing about those logos you found in the reverse image search is that two of them claim trademark status, one registered trademark status (at a glance, they look identical, so I'm guessing they're from the same trademark-holder). So there's likely to be legal challenges to the proposed logo.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Jul 11 at 11:17
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    Maybe. The truth is, I'm not very involved in the legal aspect. But I am in the creative world. For me, the most alarming and contradictory thing is that a resource as stereotypical and outdated as a smiley face is being proposed as a "new" brand refresh, supposedly designed to attract new, younger audiences.
    – Danielillo
    Commented Jul 11 at 11:28
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It looks like it must have been fun to come up with all those new pallettes and graphics. Please keep them away from the web pages I use daily.

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I'm pretty confused by the images and very short descriptions chosen to share in this post when there is a lot more and a lot more important info from the blog post that you didn't include. It's completely unclear what we're expected to provide feedback on here: the logo changes? the color schemes? the general design aesthetic? Something else?

Primarily, in the blog post you mention the two design options to choose from are:

  1. Adding a "spine" to the Stack Overflow logo so that all the pieces of the stack are now connected

  2. Replacing the Stack Overflow logo with something similar to the Superuser logo, which is based on braces/brackets

Yet those two choices/designs don't appear anywhere in the post above. Why not?

Furthermore, as has been thoroughly covered by others already, the color schemes here are... not quite ready for prime time. You mention that color schemes which pass accessibility and color blindness tests are top-of-mind, but you didn't bother to do the actual work for that when throwing these color palettes together for us to "vote" on?

I recommend y'all just delete this question and post a new one that highlights the actual logo changes you've demonstrated in the blog post (that's really the biggest change we're talking about here in terms of "identity", and it's a super important one), and that uses better color palettes... ones which actually pass contrast tests/requirements put forth by WCAG, et al. Bonus points if they aren't garish, Halloween palettes.

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Not going to sugar-coat it. Please treat this post as business to business correspondence, as if I'm an SO employee, who was was prompted to give feedback on this professionally. There is really just one feedback item to give:

  • You need to hire a professional graphics designer with proper training from a recognized school or agency. Period.

Having interacted with such professionals a lot both through work and in private, I quickly learnt that complete laymen such as myself should just keep their hands off things like this.

Then there are those who have worked with diverse UX stuff in a professional context and might have some amount of more relevant input, far more so than laymen. They might keep up to date with various trends set by graphics designers but not really understand why the graphics designer picked one specific design for product x and why that is not necessarily an universally suitable design, let alone one for product y.

But even still, they are still far from a professional graphics designer, which is an actual degree you get after years of training at a relevant university specializing at such. Then of course on top of that, professional work experience as well.

All the remarks already posted here about aesthetics, common disabilities related to color blindness etc are well-known to professionals, that's just another day at work for them. Heck, even I know the basics of it. Even as a layman, I know enough to tell that what was proposed here is not the result coming from a professional graphics designer.

Some of the other specific feedback you are getting here is probably from such professionals, regarding how to pick palettes and corporate graphic profiles etc etc - that stuff is beyond me. But whenever I have hired professional graphics designers for various diverse things from corporate branding to industrial design, I have always been pleased and often also impressed with the result.

One of the core things I keep hearing from such professionals is: it shouldn't just boil down to just subjective a matter of taste. Things are designed the way they are with an actual plan in mind. Sure there are artistic aspects of it too - but a professional will reason like "if you want to send out message x, then we will do it like this-..."

Some market benchmarking was apparently made for this, but maybe therein lies the problem: as a programmer I don't want to interact with something retro that looks as those godawful programming books from the early 1990s. It is retro and nostalgia sure, but not in a good way. It's from a time before the Internet when programming was awful - all you had as source were all these poorly written books with strange fonts and questionable value. Bad memories of low quality products. And the icons gathering on your Windows 95 desktop did soon look as if some My Little Pony has barfed rainbows all over it. Luckily, things have evolved since then! Good riddance.

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    Designers here need to stop oscillating between too loud and distracting versus too subtle to be read. The first appeals only to very young children while the second becomes unusable to most anyone who's past their 30th birthday or under suboptimal viewing conditions. The Company’s been guilty of both classes of design sin at one point or another. This constant barrage of at best tastelessness and at worst ageist micro-aggressions simply makes you want to walk away from it all.
    – tchrist
    Commented Jul 11 at 13:18
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You say a goal is to:

Expand the definition of Stack Overflow from programmers & developers, to all technology enthusiasts.

But what about those who are not technology enthusiasts and who use Stack Exchange for non-technology topics? Will non-technology sites remain under the Stack Exchange branding?

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If we're going to be pushed in any direction of what you've already laid out, I'd go with Option 1. The thinner font choice on Option 2 immediately makes it a "no" from me. It's like I'm reading a newspaper, and I'm not really thinking "newspaper" when I think "programming". I might think of it if I think of "technology" but... Probably not. I'm also not really a fan of the {''} fella. Stick to your brand icon, even if it's the slightly changed one without the "base" for the stack. It works and it's obviously a "stack".

Option 1, while I do prefer it, reeks of the modern day need to make things big, bulky, and with a large smattering of colors that don't seem to coincide with each other. These images in particular don't really make sense to me. I don't feel like these colors scream "programming", "technology", or "knowledge" to me. Cooler colors like blues, and greys might suit the idea better. The font also allows the "f" and "l" in "Overflow" to be too close together such that they're touching (which is called a "ligature" I guess, TIL) which feels odd.

To round out the critique with a compliment, the line "Knowledge doesn't loop, it stacks" is really neat. I like that a lot.

I'm also going to echo a bit of what Journeyman Geek said in his answer. I'm really concerned about putting everything under the "Stack Overflow" umbrella. I think it can work, but you have to do it right. A big part of that is ensuring that the non-tech sites have their identity intact. For a long time the non-tech sites have felt like their concerns have gone by the wayside in favor of Stack Overflow's needs. Some of that makes sense, SO is massive by comparison, but that feeling will be exacerbated if you don't take the time to ensure they make sense and feel at home under the new umbrella.

I think we're in agreement that it's a bit difficult for a newcomer to understand that there is "Stack Overflow" and then there is "Stack Exchange", and that the former lives under the umbrella of the latter, except the company's name is Stack Overflow, Inc. and not Stack Exchange, Inc. Did you get a headache reading that explanation? Was it even correct? Who knows anymore. Resolving that makes sense, it's just super important that you do it right, and not haphazardly.

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    Only the company is still Stack Exchange Inc - they do business as Stack Overflow Inc. Commented Jul 10 at 14:59
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    "The font also allows the "f" and "l" in "Overflow" to be too close together such that they're touching which feels odd." Pretty sure that's supposed to be a ligature. Not that I could say why they chose a ligature there, it doesn't really match the brand nor topic. Commented Jul 10 at 15:49
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    @Spevacus Thank you for your feedback. Blues and greys are commonly used colors in this space and for good reason - they definitely are very versatile. Our desired direction with these is a visual identity that is both useful/professional and just a bit more vibrant and unique. Definitely a balance that's tough to strike - and we'll continue to work on that.
    – Eric Martin Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:14
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    A challenging part of logo work is getting it looking good at different sizes, so there is more refinement ahead here around the weights and context. We’ve resolved the bolding of the ‘overflow’ that the existing logo has, which I think takes some getting used to once you realise it was unnecessary. To defend the ligature: the word is ‘flow’ and the type flows into itself which is a considered detail imo (maybe folks from Graphic Design SE can back me up), but agree readability is the main task.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:25
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    @EricMartin Thanks for the response! I'd broadly say that in public branding (as in, marketing externally), such vibrancy may be useful, but I would definitely say that for coloring on the network and in the design of the site itself, assuming it would be translated to it, I don't really associate it with the professional nature of the Stack ecosystem. Sleek, solid, "cool", and somewhat info-dense are how I know Stack. That's not to say that redefining how it's viewed is off the table, just that I consider such a change to be a big about-face.
    – Spevacus Mod
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:27
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    @Spevacus I added an image to the question to better illustrate how everything under the Stack Overflow umbrella would work. I agree with the points you raised there.
    – Rosie StaffMod
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:56
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Looking through both designs - as per this post

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I noticed this in the first option and... it looks like the kerning is all over the place. It might also be the angle but... the letters don't look like they're on the same 'line', the a and e look tilted too.

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    Their new business model inspired by xkcd.com/3113 Commented Jul 10 at 15:42
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    .... damn it prophet randall :D Commented Jul 10 at 15:43
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    ARGH! Commented Jul 10 at 15:57
  • I don't see the kerning issue? (unless you're referring to the fl ligature). The kerning actually looks good to me. I also don't see the a/e tilt.
    – starball
    Commented Jul 11 at 19:25
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    the a looks like its leaning left. The e's bottom is little above the v and leaning right? Commented Jul 12 at 0:17
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There's some colour scheme palletes and extra contextual information in the blog post missing in the question here.

For example, I had no clue that the {¨} was meant to represent two people collaborating until I checked the blog post.

Could those be added so the Meta post gives a more complete overview of the proposed designs?

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    You may be the first person to type that out, and I love it. Good callout - we wanted to just have a nod to it here but the deep dive is on the blog because we have more features around the animation examples stackoverflow.blog/2025/07/10/vote-on-our-new-identity
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 10 at 15:05
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    @DavidLongworth Yes, "(•} . {•)" would be more clear that it was two people collaborating, rather than "{¨}", two people facing away from each other.
    – Rob
    Commented Jul 13 at 9:12
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    Lol, that's supposed to be two people collaborating? I though it's a face and the two dots are eyes, like a slightly postmodern smiley, and I liked that interpretation way more. Also @DavidLongworth if that's the case then the motif itself is a bad choice for SO+SE. Even in the best case scenario for a great question and answer(s), that's teaching / knowledge sharing - calling that "collaboration" is a huge stretch. The only collaboration that happens with the usual (aka trash) new post is that quality-minded users collaborate to downvote and close the trash question to clean up the site.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Jul 14 at 8:27
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Expand the definition of Stack Overflow from programmers and developers to all technology enthusiasts.

Is this specifically about SO? Or about SE? If it's about SO, you're changing more than visual identity- that would be a scope change. SO is not about "all technology". the diagram helped clarify this.

How far are you going to go with the rebrand of Stack Exchange to Stack Overflow? Are you changing site domain names as well? Going part way will be just as confusing, or maybe even more confusing. Even if you go all the way you can, and change all the references to "Stack Exchange" within the network, there will be references outside of the network that you don't have direct control over. I don't think the current state of "SO"/"SE" is that confusing.

Be welcoming to a new and wider enthusiast audience, while still appealing to our core audience of subject matter experts.

It's been for professionals and enthusiasts from the beginning, no? Didn't the tour page used to say so?

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    "I don't think SO/SE is that confusing." Critically, having everything under the SO branding seems more confusing. Commented Jul 10 at 16:29
  • the tour page has always said that, yes, but that's not the experience new users get when they try to participate.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 10 at 16:30
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    I was going to post my own answer, but feel free to edit with some of this. If StackExchange is to be referred to by StackOverflow (expanded to technology enthusiasts), where does that leave… English Language Learners? SciFi? Board & Card Games, Chess, or RPGs? Etc.? Arguably all of those are “technology” in some sense, and I constantly remind myself that assuming “tech ~ computers” is a mistake. But still, I don’t think most folks think of books as technology day-to-day. Commented Jul 10 at 16:50
  • Ah, also covered here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/411314/389795 Commented Jul 10 at 16:55
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    I'm already confused when I get an email that says "Stack Overflow—Your question has been closed". I've gotten more of these than I have questions on SO, since they're all about my closed Meta SE questions. I don't know how new users are going to manage.
    – Laurel
    Commented Jul 10 at 19:53
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    In the beginning it was just for everyone, actually: web.archive.org/web/20090322201557/http://stackoverflow.com/… the only requirement was that you ask a specific, detailed programming question and avoid opinions, argumentative tones, or discussions: web.archive.org/web/20090318051054/http://stackoverflow.com/faq But yes, ever since the SO Tour page existed (2013?), it's mentioned 'professional and enthusiast programmers'.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 11 at 13:59
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    The diagram isn't that helpful. Look for the site that's currently called "Stack Overflow" in the second diagram - it's not there, unless its new name will be "Stack Overflow Business", which I don't think it will. They'll probably have to think of a new name for it in order to distinguish it from the other sites, at which point we'll be back to exactly where we are now, except that they'll have swapped all the names around for no reason, solving no problem and confusing everyone.
    – N. Virgo
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:14
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In this new brand vision, all Stack Exchange sites will continue to exist, but under the Stack Overflow name & brand.

For years, SE sites have established themselves in terms of topicality – both what is on-topic and off-topic. What is on-topic on one SE site usually isn’t on another. Critically, there are several topics that were broken off from SO to form sibling sites such as Code Review, Super User, or Software Engineering.

If the distinction between SO the site and SE the network is going to be removed, how are people supposed to understand that this topical divide still exists? How are they supposed to understand whether something belongs on SO-the-network but not SO-the-site?

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    Other answers with similar concerns have received staff replies, like meta.stackexchange.com/a/411313/289691, meta.stackexchange.com/a/411319/289691... . In summary, they have not yet decided about the lower layers; in other words, they don't know yet what they will do with the brands of the public platformS
    – Rubén
    Commented Jul 14 at 13:09
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    This is a very good point. For non-SO communities, "SO" carries the connotation of "not relevant to me".
    – tenfour
    Commented Jul 14 at 13:36
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When I saw this post, I decided to take a couple of days to think before posting my opinion, as I sincerely had no idea where this might be coming from (what problem can be solved by this, why this is done by the design/rebranding, why THIS design, etc.). Today, I found an explanation that I see as plausible.

There’s an urban legend - possibly even a true story - that Paul Verhoeven deliberately included excessive gore in RoboCop (1987) so that the MPAA would focus on cutting those scenes, while leaving the rest of the film’s violence largely intact. The idea was to offer up some extreme moments as sacrificial material, drawing the censors' attention and making them feel satisfied when those scenes were removed, while the broader tone and violent content of the film remained mostly unchanged. (A similar story happened with the soviet comedy "The Diamond Arm", I was looking for the best analogue in Western culture.)

If this is the case, I understand exactly what those designs represent. And I can only wonder, if the Company wants to distract people's attention from mostly unsuccessful and unneeded introduced AI functionality - OR there is something else coming (<insert the second/third/... dropped shoe joke here>). Truly sad times.

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    So, what you're saying is that the company is expecting to Remove the Duck? Commented Jul 12 at 22:16
  • @NathanTuggy kinda. thanks for the reference, I did not know this particular one, and was searching for it! Commented Jul 12 at 23:04
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    See also "closing on a minor point". "is something else coming" The question post is titled "Will you help build our new visual identity?" & ends with "Get involved: Cast your vote here!" but the meat is "Stack Exchange sites will continue to exist, but under the Stack Overflow name & brand".
    – philipxy
    Commented Jul 12 at 23:12
  • Maybe we are already all replaced by AIs. Maybe even me. But on a more serious note: never attribute to maliciousness what can also be attributed to stupidity, or similar. Maybe design isn't their strongest side. That's why they are asking for help. Commented Jul 12 at 23:37
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If the phrase "Stack Exchange" is being deprecated, then how will we reconcile the two meta sites Meta.SE and Meta.SO?

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    There could be meta.SO for programming and metameta.SO for all sites. And it's a very good point, one they don't explain at all. I guess we need to wait and see for how the solution to this looks like. The same thing with landing pages. Will stackoverflow.com be the landing page for the company or the programming public site? Commented Jul 14 at 7:44
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In the detailed blog post you have this sentence under both options:

Our palette builds on our signature Stack Overflow Orange with a new range of vibrant secondary colors — all inspired by the pops and hues seen in different coding environments.

But the "signature Stack Overflow Orange" is different in the two palettes:

Option 1 is a reddish-orange:

Option 1 - #FE432A

Option 2 is more of a mid-orange:

Option 2 - #FF5817

Neither of them match the current brand palette, where the orange is a less saturated, slightly muddy orange:

Current brand orange - #F48024

The orange in the current logo is very slightly more saturated, but nowhere near the new suggestions - #F58025:

Current Stack Overflow logo

The blog post actually says option 2 builds on "our signature Stack Overflow Orange and Lilac" - I can't see lilac anywhere on the current brand palette, so I've no idea where this came from.

So it seems that you're proposing a completely new primary brand colour, and have decided that this should be brighter and more saturated, while staying in roughly the same section of the colour wheel. The reasoning behind this, and the relationship between the two options, is never explained.

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    Also "all inspired by the pops and hues seen in different coding environments", these colours are used in code-editors as a highlight, not a background... If anyone's IDE looks like this then I both pity and fear them.
    – DBS
    Commented Jul 11 at 16:00
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    Just wanted to confirm the premise you have here is correct - 1. we are revisiting the orange and exploring the two options you've covered. 2. there is no 'signature Lilac' apologies if the wording is confusing the the post, perhaps it needs a comma. As to the why? You touched on it with the 'muddy' comment: essentially we want to make it feel more modern and versatile for the future, when combined with the other new color choices.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 16:13
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So... effectively the only positive I was looking for out of a rebranding is the one thing that's actually instead getting worse; "Stack Overflow" is being expanded to not only be the company in addition to "Stack Overflow" the community, but now it's going to refer to literally the entire community... including many that aren't even remotely programming related. I was hoping for the opposite, that the company was moving away from abusing the community's name for marketing, but no, it's only getting worse.

These color schemes are pretty bad, but as long as they aren't affecting Q&A communities I guess I don't care.

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You've found something that wasn't quite a problem as you described it, and are trying to fix it in a manner that neither helps what the problem really is nor the problem as you've described it:

"One network, one name
During the process we realized we needed to radically simplify our offerings; we have too many confusing elements, some which have not been touched in a long time. This is creating needless friction, particularly for people who haven’t heard of us, for newbies and for our business audience. In this new brand vision, all Stack Exchange sites will continue to exist, but under the Stack Overflow name & brand.".

Caution: This answer may need to be read more than once, before writing a bunch of comments; not to suggest such people read this far.

As user MT1 pointed out, in the Tour for Stack Overflow it says:
"Stack Overflow is part of the Stack Exchange network".

Now you want to reverse that to:
"Stack Exchange is part of the Stack Overflow network".

I think it's more helpful to present them as separate things, even if they have the same owner. People usually think of "Stack Overflow" for programming, even if there are a number of "Stack Exchange" sites that answer programming questions competently.

On most "Stack Exchange" sites they don't think of "Stack Overflow", or even the other Stack Exchange sites; and that's certainly a problem when a different site is a better choice, often a migration proves that.

Even so, I think you are better off neither reversing nor merging.

  • Leave "Stack Overflow" as "Stack Overflow", don't mess with brand success; even if it has suffered a decline recently, that wasn't because of its association with "Stack Exchange".

Similarly,

  • Leave "Stack Exchange" as "Stack Exchange", a bunch of sites in the same domain (with a few exceptions, because the sites have a name outside the domain, example: askubuntu.com, serverfault.com, superuser.com), which answer questions on a variety of topics - with a not too confusing way (Area 51) to add new sites.

The bonus for the company, if you really want / like rebranding, now you have two chances; and can differentiate between the two.

As an example:

Stack Overflow could be branded (using a reasonable palette color choice) as a laptop computer on a desk with a cellphone next to it. Stack Exchange could be branded as a filing cabinet, next to that desk.

A quick search does turn up such images: 1, 2, but not 3, and especially not 4.

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    Think of it from the perspective of newcomers. SE existing as the parent, while operationally we as a company are Stack Overflow is confusing. Our choices were: 1) double down on something there is already general awareness in the world for (i.e., Stack Overflow) 2) invest in Stack Exchange name to bring it up to that level, or 3) Create a whole new name to encompass everything. 1 seemed like the best choice to make, the trade-off is the period of adjustment to get used to it being more than programming, similar to how Google was once synonymous with search but is now...everything.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 16:36
  • @DavidLongworth Out of curiosity, how do you know that people actually care about what the company is called? I've been active for years on the network and whether you folks are SE Inc or SO Inc or whatever just never mattered. (FWIW, the footer says "Stack Exchange Inc") Commented Jul 11 at 17:04
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    @DavidLongworth I did try to think of it from the perspective of newcomers, and I think I addressed that in my answer (Feedback). Does someone coming to Stack Exchange for any site that excludes computers (examples: Math.SE, ELU.SE, Electrical Engineering.SE, Home Improvement.SE, Photography.SE, etc.) think anything about Stack Overflow; I propose that they do not it's all about the Stack Exchange sites. --- Using "Google" wasn't a great counter argument (for you, but it sure helps me). Google isn't just "search", nor is it literally "everything"; but it is YouTube, Android, Quantum Computing
    – Rob
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:31
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    @Rob I think we're saying similar things - as long as the content and experience on those sites is good they will only care about the collective name when it comes to navigating across them, branching out. I hear your point about Google but I will mention you're chatting to 50% of the brand team who works here, vs Google has the resources of a $3T market cap company must have at least a few more? I'm wondering could 'Google's YouTube site' not be analogous to 'Stack Overflow's SuperUser site' etc?
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:42
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    I also wanted to share this link, which is a great overview of the options for how brands can arrange themselves cr8consultancy.com/what-is-brand-architecture-its-examples
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:50
  • @DavidLongworth Looking at that cr8 link I think you are: "House of Brands". Superuser already knew about Stack Overflow (or "Why call It Super User?" and "Help Define SuperUser.Com"), while YouTube probably didn't expect to be bought by Google; so again it's not comparable, to support your position. It's like trying to put ducks and geese under a brand of similar looking waterfowl, to the exclusion of cranes.
    – Rob
    Commented Jul 11 at 18:47
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    Yes, it’s certainly confusing that the company is operating under the name of its most successful community than the name it started with and built a platform around. It would generally be easier to just not do that, and there would be no confusion. Instead we’re going in the opposite direction and further muddying it up.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jul 12 at 7:15
  • Be strong. The world around us have no idea what is stack exchange, and people not being developers have no idea what is stack overflow. Once a company recruiter have hired me on the old job SO. Later I asked her, what he knows about the main SO site. Her answer was really disappointing: nothing et al, not even that it exists! She has seen a workforce hiring portal. And it is not so bad so, anyways - SEDE queries clearly show, most activities are happening in work time here.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 14 at 6:56
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What I don't understand is the purpose of the visual redesign. (Agree with @mdfst13)

This post has a score of -148 (currently). In spite of that, the question is "which option will be selected", not "should any option be selected"... Does Stack Overflow, Inc. listen to the community?

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  • They listen seldomly. The purpose is to attract many new users. And does it work with you? They were somehow not satisfied with their old branding. And who knows, maybe it wasn't perfect. They certainly have a right to express themselves. Freedom is also the freedom to make mistakes, or do stuff that somebody else doesn't like. Commented Jul 14 at 22:18
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  • @DavidLongworth Probably I used the word "rebranding" incorrectly. I meant the visual change, not the naming change. Was there a "brand debt" in the visual design?
    – SNBS
    Commented 2 days ago
  • @NoDataDumpNoContribution Yes, the company will certainly have the last word. But... the users still have the right to express their opinion.
    – SNBS
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    @DavidLongworth : the proposed 2 choices are very very painful to look at. It would make stackexchange look like a geocities webpage (those with lots of different saturated colors and stars). The current palette of stackexchange is : peaceful, easy on the eyes. Why do you intend to change it so drastically? (I believe I can't stay on a website with such a color palette than either of the 2 you proposed : it would be unbearable). And the problem with branding: the only pb I see is that stackoverflow.com missed the top-bar link to stackexchange (allowing people to discover se and its sites). Commented yesterday
  • Yes, if redesign is really necessary, I'd have made it less... eye-hurting...
    – SNBS
    Commented 19 hours ago
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In my opinion, you are doing the exact opposite of what you should do. Numbers show, that the role of the SO is strongly decreased among your sites. Now you should see it as it is only one of your site portfolio, and instead of giving to it a special role, you should take from it away, what it now has.

In the last 1.5 decades, it could be always felt, that contrary your site network, you still consider yourself only as the SO, with some extra appendages.

It is hard to say from here, why you did it, but the most likely reasons, what I have seen, were the profitability and your personal taste. Now profitability is out, personal taste remains.

In my opinion, you are working on what you would like to do, and not on what is the best for the business.

This is clearly not the key of the long-term survival in a profit-oriented world.

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    Profitability is probably measured in visits not new questions. SO could still be the most profitable part of the network, which then by definition pays for keeping the lights on in the other parts. That may change one day though. Commented Jul 11 at 21:45
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution Currently, new post activity is on the 2009 level. It is not a single decrease. It is the end.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 12 at 1:55
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution They invest into the busted business parts, taking effort from the parts with results. Bad management, bad strategy. But it is nothing surprising, it was clearly visible since about 2014 and they did nothing. Only social inertia kept the sites (and the company) above the water since then; an ordinary small company working on this way had his penultimate business result file on that year.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 12 at 3:48
  • @NoDataDumpNoContribution Btw, post creation or voting/feedback activity does not correlate for sure with the visit, any time as I have talked with mods or 25k+ guys about it, they all said, the visit stat looks the same.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 14 at 6:43
  • With looks the same you mean is still as high as it used to be? I'm not sure if there is accurate information about that available. I guess that traffic is still high, but slowly declining. The logic would be: no new questions, no new knowledge, less traffic over time. Commented Jul 14 at 7:40
  • "Numbers show" ^[citation needed] What's the latest on viewership across the network? Commented Jul 14 at 22:50
  • @CorneliusRoemer 25k+ users (and 5k+ on betas) can see visit stats, and they are expected to use this information wisely in various argumentations. For others, tricky SEDE queries can still give good estimations. For example, votes + feedbacks correlate very well with the actual views; or the per-question all-time view data can be used to estimate the full-site daily or monthly view stat. Athough SEDE has no timed view stats, only all-time for the questions.
    – peterh
    Commented Jul 15 at 3:00
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution I played with it a lot. new post creation stats, voting stats and visit stats roughly correlate, so you can well estimate one from the others. data.stackexchange.com , good work.
    – peterh
    Commented 2 days ago
  • @NoDataDumpNoContribution There are also other correlations. For example, about 90% of the users has a reputation in 10% of his got upvotes * 10. These help a lot to understand here things (because you can not track the former reputation of the users, but yes the upvotes their posts got). Actually, that I think I now master t-sql, actually I can thank to the company.
    – peterh
    Commented 2 days ago
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution Another terrible problem, that the queries have no persistent storage and a 2 min execution limit. However, SEDE is open source. I think, if someone could build a SEDE clone, and make it publicly available, where such limits do not apply, that could be a huge win. Problem is that SEDE needs non-trivial modifications to run on databases other than ms sql. But it can be done. I once started it, but I had more important tasks.
    – peterh
    Commented 2 days ago
  • @CorneliusRoemer Please do not do this... "^[citation needed]" more without a serious reason. It was not really kind. My impression was that you have some really antagonistic misconceptions. Please do not do that. I am a human like you. Just ask. So: "How do you see that?" or "Where are these numbers from?"
    – peterh
    Commented 2 days ago
  • @peterh Please accept my apology, I didn't intend it to be antagonistic, just to the point. I'm genuinely interested in the data and would like to look at it myself, adding the source would make your answer stronger. Commented 2 days ago
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Regarding the rebranding, I'd have to agree that Stack Exchange would make more sense as the brand to consolidate under, for most of the reasons raised by other people.

I have a lot more to say about the proposed graphical changes.

Option 1, to me, reads "stereotypical product aimed at Gen-Alpha." It seems to follow the current design trends pretty closely, complete with colours that are way too vibrant for my taste. Now, the world does appear to be still changing, so maybe that's what you want... but I also feel like Stack Excherflow's target market has always been primarily made up of people who prioritize human connection, aren't afraid to read textwalls, and are still active on forums in the year 2025. On the other side, a lot of the products that have started using this kind of extreme saturation and similar stylistic choices appear to be actively marketing to people with short attention spans, usually have little to no text anywhere, and often use AI agressively in the place of genuine human connection—all of which seems like almost exactly the opposite of the brand you're trying to promote.

If you ignore the colours, the new font and the proposed logo in Option 1 seem pretty decent, and it's kind of cool how the logo would also sort of look like an open book.

As for Option 2:
In contrast, the colours don't seem all that bad. They could still use improvement, since they're a bit of an eyesore, but they definitely don't carry the same negative connotations for me as the ultrasaturated Option 1 does.

Potential legal issues aside, the little code guy looks kind of cool, though that would be a huge change to the brand. The serif'd font does a good job of making the theme seem academic in a friendly and welcoming kind of way, just like Option 1's font does a good job of mimicking computer code. Honestly, I'd be happy with either font, although if it was going to be applied across the entire site (including all user posts), I'd opt for the sans-serif because sans-serif fonts are typically easier for people to read for long periods of time.

My main issue with Option 2 is that it almost seems too noisy in a random kind of way. Contrasting and slightly jarring colours are mixed for no apparent reason on the application material, and the use of both gradient backgrounds and solid blocky foregrounds doesn't really work well.

Overall, I don't think either option is an improvement on the way things currently are. I honestly think Stack Excherflow is two of the best-looking sites on the internet right now: simple enough to avoid being an eyesore while complex enough that it doesn't look like pure markdown, with two very recognizable complimentary colours that go really well with the rest of the theme. It manages to both scream "modern" and align with the general feel of a site like GitHub which sort of makes it feel like part of a standard programming experience. I think this is something that either of the proposed options would miss out on, Option 1 by shifting away from modern quality into mass-market populism, and Option 2 by just being ever so slightly weird.

I think an ideal design would probably take elements from both options and the current design, rather than totally changing everything.

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Let's start from the beginning.

What problem needs solving? From the solution you're offering, you seem to think that there's something wrong with the Stack Exchange "brand". What makes you think that?

I mean, I posted that questions are less than 10% of peak and dropping. I'm not sure that I agree that the Stack Exchange "brand" has anything to do with that. Is that the problem that you're trying to solve?

Basically, I've seen two problems that are causing a reduction in questions:

  1. There's a large number of people who find many of the questions posted to be substandard. As a result, they react negatively to them.
  2. The people asking the questions find the site unwelcoming and unhelpful in terms of solving their problems. In part because of 1.

Does changing the "brand" solve either of those problems? No? Then what problem does it solve? Where you'd get this idea? It sounds like a typical AI hallucination.

Be welcoming to a new & wider enthusiast audience, while still appealing to our core audience of subject matter experts.

OK. This sounds something like the problems I described. I mean you want to still appeal to the core audience of SMEs. However, I have not once heard the core audience ask for a more colorful design. Nor have I seen people outside that "core audience" requesting a more colorful design.

This sounds like the old joke about the guy who's searching the ground under a streetlight. Someone comes up and asks for what he's looking. He says his keys. Where were you when you dropped them? Over there in the dark patch. Then why are you looking over here? It's too dark to look there!

I'm sorry, but if it's hard to solve your real problem, throwing solutions to other problems at the wall is unlikely to appeal to your core audience of SMEs. Your problem isn't the site design nor the "brand". Your problem is that the SMEs aren't excited about answering the questions of the people that post here. That's bad both for the SMEs and the askers. How do you fix that problem?

My suggestion for that is not well received, but scarier is the reason why. This answer has thirteen net upvotes (as I post this) and basically says that we still have too many bad questions being asked. We need fewer questions.

I still think that the basic problem is that you need to help people ask better questions. Then the SMEs will be more interested in answering them. Questions need MREs. If they don't have them, then why bother? The SMEs will just close the question. How do you get MREs for questions. My suggestion was AI. Not well received.

OK. How about this. Instead of wasting your time on a site redesign that we don't need, how about having every employee pick a question that doesn't have net upvotes. Help the asker make the question better, so it can attract SMEs with an easy-to-run MRE.

After you do that a few times, look at the pain points. What was hard to explain. What made it hard? Start to think about how you can change the asking process to make it easier.

You're probably thinking that this sounds like a lot of work. I agree. It's a lot of work. That you've been expecting your SMEs to do for free. Try it for a while. Then make it less work so that possibly, just possibly, your SMEs can go back to answering questions. Because that's your core problem. SMEs not wanting to answer the questions that are being asked because it is a lot of work to find out what the asker really needs to know.

That's the only problem with your brand. People who would like to answer questions don't find that you are helping them find good questions. People who would like to ask questions don't find that you are helping them get their questions answered. Sound like two problems? It really isn't. If people asked better questions, more SMEs would be interested in answering them. As is, the statement that we need fewer questions so as to have fewer bad questions has thirteen net upvotes.

It's time to get a flashlight and look where you dropped your keys. You'll never find them under the streetlight.

Unless you take real steps to solve your real problems, your community is just going to keep hemorrhaging away. Your brand was once the place where people went to get their questions answered. I can't see any way you can retain your existing community without restoring that. SMEs need questions they want to answer. Askers need solutions to their problems.

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    Nice answer but one could say that companies just like to redecorate their space from time to time. It's probably just superficial and not really affecting the core business but also doesn't mean they aren't interested in other things. Surely they want question quality to be as high as possible, but witha new name and color scheme. One can like or hate it but even not doing it won't solve the other problems. Commented Jul 12 at 8:49
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    I think the problem is mostly opposite from what you think it is. What you say is true, but I think the cause of it is not simply a lack of filtering. Time and time and time again, on all SE sites, I've seen unusually interesting questions closed for spurious reasons, by people whose main interest is in closing questions as an end in itself, who will just click any old thing to make them go away. The problem is not (just) a lack of filtering, it's that the filtering process itself has a quality issue, and systematically drives away the people with non-mundane questions to ask.
    – N. Virgo
    Commented Jul 13 at 19:28
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    @N.Virgo That's possible. However, I would point out that if they improved the filtering to not show those questions to the people who close them because they don't want to see them, then those questions wouldn't get closed. Regardless, looking into any of those options would be more likely to succeed than changing the site design or "rebranding". Particularly given that their goal is to retain the existing people and add new people. Even just saying, "a bunch of you are jerks, and we wish you would stop closing questions and leave" would be a better solution than this.
    – mdfst13
    Commented Jul 14 at 20:32
  • I'm also not sure where you see anything about filtering in this answer. I'm suggesting that questions get edited to make them better. To retain what you find interesting and add more that makes them better to keep them from being closed. Filtering could also help with that, but I wasn't including that in this answer.
    – mdfst13
    Commented Jul 14 at 20:39
  • Oh, by filtering I meant the close voting system, especially on sites other than SO - it hasn't seen any love in a long time and it's creaking under the strain. If there was an actual functioning filtering system helping to show the right questions to the right people it would make a huge difference, I'm in complete agreement about that. I'm also in absolute agreement that any of this is vastly more important than the "brand" in terms of the company's long term success.
    – N. Virgo
    Commented Jul 14 at 20:55
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What will happen with the name/brand of the public platform flagship ?

As you know, every site has a tour page starting with statement that summarizes the site purpose.

Stack Overflow -> Stack Overflow Public Platform -> ????


I'm referring to the thing that currently has the following as the opening statement on its tour page:

Welcome to Stack Overflow
site icon

Stack Overflow is a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed, high-quality answers to every question about programming.

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    Are you referring to stackoverflow.com? Stack Overflow stays Stack Overflow.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 16:18
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    @DavidLongworth I'm referring to "_____ is a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers. It's built and run by you as part of the ___ network of Q&A sites. With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed, high-quality answers to every question about programming. ", --- ref. stackoverflow.com/tour
    – Rubén
    Commented Jul 11 at 16:23
  • This is a "duplicate" of a previous "answer" to this "question" --> meta.stackexchange.com/a/411319/289691.
    – Rubén
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:22
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    Yes, it seems related. I'll just add to what Piper said - we're in the middle of updating copy and images to make that clearer. The best I can say for now is Stack Overflow is now the hub for all the sites covered across what was formerly the Stack Exchange Network.
    – David Longworth Staff
    Commented Jul 11 at 17:28
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Will the URLs be harmonized with the new styling of the business?

Does this mean that the domain stackexchange.com will be available to purchase and all is moving to /stackoverflow.com?

Will someone repurpose the stackexchange.com brand using the old URL potentially bringing the brand into disrepute?

Or are we stuck with the awkward situation of talking about stackoverflow when we mean some site that's still /stackexchange.com?

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    A .com domain costs less than $10 a year to register, I don't think there's any risk of them letting go back on the market if they stop actively using it.
    – IMSoP
    Commented Jul 10 at 19:58
  • Companies make rash decisions in the heat of the budget-panic sometimes. Stackexchange.org for example, Godaddy values at just on $600. Admittedly, not likely the company would be that rash as to not spend the few bucks to protect their back. @IMSoP
    – W.O.
    Commented Jul 10 at 20:10

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