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    Ohh so that's where the "we need to find us a new people" came from! Been looking for the quote. It's fitting because that's definitely what SE is doing here - finding itself a new community more in line with the new, more corporate values. Let's face it, though, it's possible they will be successful 😁 probably most of the site's users don't even know about any of this (although not so sure about power users) and, more saddeningly, a good chunk of mods may also not really care beyond co-signing a strongly worded letter? At least that's what their current (in)actions suggest. Oh well.
    – Pekka
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:18
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    @Pekka, finding a new community more in line with the current corporate values is one thing. Having that community be as much involved as the existing one in menial tasks such as curating the site might be more of a problem. Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:25
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    If SE wants a self moderating community on the one hand, they should not impose their values/beliefs on the other. Either instate paid moderators or give the community more freedom in expressing or assessing their own values/beliefs.
    – dfhwze
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:34
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    @FrédéricHamidi Having that community be as much involved as the existing one in menial tasks such as curating the site might be more of a problem. not disagreeing, but hard to see what else could be their long term bet, the way they are currently behaving. The state we are in now can not be attributed to human error, incompetence, etc. any more. It's got to be a deliberate result. The messiness and drama was probably not intended, but the general direction.
    – Pekka
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:35
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    @PekkasupportsGoFundMonica Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The CoC term for stupidity might be "incompetence" or something.
    – GhostCat
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:36
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    @Pekka, I totally agree this is the direction the company is taking. Whether they succeed or not remains to be seen, but I'm not overly optimistic about that -- the community they appear to be aiming for does not have a tremendous track record for putting their time (or money) where their hearts are. Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:42
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    @FrédéricHamidi I read somewhere (to my great surprise tbh) that they have a turnover of somewhere around $70 Million a year... I guess the bet is "might is right", that their sheer size and financial prowess and #1 position will see them through. Plus that there is an audience that'll feel made welcome by the figurative beheading of a mod and super stringent speech rules that will more than make up for the problematic rabble-rousers leaving the place. Hard to imagine, but who knows. Big world out there. I guess we'll see!
    – Pekka
    Commented Nov 18, 2019 at 9:46
  • @Pekka supports GoFundMonica: USD70 million in revenue. Source. 44 USD million in 2018 plus 16 USD million in 2018 in ad revenue (mostly for Azure). (Yes, it does not appear to add up.) Commented Dec 6, 2019 at 12:49
  • They are moving in the direction of a help desk (to avoid closing and downvotes). Hopefully it will not be mixed up with the knowledge base. A merge with Glitch might also be a possibility - "Glitch focuses on being a friendly, accessible community". Commented Dec 6, 2019 at 12:55
  • @PeterMortensen I am really curious how this will work out for "us" folks using MSE, MSO, and other metas. But time will tell ...
    – GhostCat
    Commented Dec 6, 2019 at 13:13